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we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly
we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer...
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coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today, up 32 points. more than a 1% gain, although it is off its highs of the day at 3019, and the s&p 500 index is 8 plus points at 1426. the word on the street is because of the fiscal cliff, some investors are actually selling the winners, the winning stocks, and they are holding on to the poor performers, the opposite what have they have been doing the last few years. maria? >> makes a lot of sense given the fact that tax les go higher on capital gains
coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some...
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i's an ipad, iphone fan. >>> another option on the fiscal cliff negotiating table being considered is raising the age when seniors can start receiving medicare to help ease our debt burden. what do you think, bob pisani? raise the age. is it a good idea? >> of course it is going to help us. we should consider that. that's the most likely thing on the cable. what i'm worried about here, it is very easy to say we'll save a bunch of money, pick a number, $6 billion or whatever the number if we take it off. where do the people go? those 65 to 67-year-olds will go into the private system where these exchanges we're going to have. they're likely going to pay more money there and the premiums are going to go up because of all those seniors. so it isn't free! that's my point. it is not just the government saves money, other people, those seniors are going to pay to be in those exchanges. >> there's no free lunch. >> nothing. >> i think there is good news that with this administration we don't have to worry about having another debate about privatizing social security. you and i, bob, are prob
i's an ipad, iphone fan. >>> another option on the fiscal cliff negotiating table being considered is raising the age when seniors can start receiving medicare to help ease our debt burden. what do you think, bob pisani? raise the age. is it a good idea? >> of course it is going to help us. we should consider that. that's the most likely thing on the cable. what i'm worried about here, it is very easy to say we'll save a bunch of money, pick a number, $6 billion or whatever the...
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bob, can you really make a deal on the fiscal cliff when the negotiation is out in public? do you think we'll get a deal done? that's what everybody wants to know. >> if everybody thinks we ought to get to a deal, we'll get to a deal. the public part of this, obviously, it's different. you got to get 435 people to vote in the house and 100 in the senate. different than getting a board to approve a fundamentally, getting to a deal is about understanding expectations. this public thing is a very good point. it couldn't be different. when two ceos are meeting to do a merger negotiation, one guy shows up in jeans, and the other guy has sunglasses on. they meet at the o'hare hilton. they don't want anybody to know about it. >> wait a minute. let's point this out. go ahead, jeff. >> the risk is taking the worst part of what wall street does, which is this negotiation of do a deal, do a deal, do a deal, do any deal. that's what happened with hp-autonomy. that's what you don't want to take from wall street in this situation. >> let's face it. a ceo is judged on success by the botto
bob, can you really make a deal on the fiscal cliff when the negotiation is out in public? do you think we'll get a deal done? that's what everybody wants to know. >> if everybody thinks we ought to get to a deal, we'll get to a deal. the public part of this, obviously, it's different. you got to get 435 people to vote in the house and 100 in the senate. different than getting a board to approve a fundamentally, getting to a deal is about understanding expectations. this public thing is a...
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eastern time to further negotiate each side on the fiscal cliff. as soon that headline calm out, the market starting back from they wills. as a result a lot of people were saying this is an optimistic sign. things worsened there and was all about that conversation happening at 5:00 p.m. eastern which we'll have for you as soon as the details come owl. >>> talk about bang for your buck. if you followed the cause of dan niles on facebook you would have made money on the way down when it priced and even more recently on the way up. dan is now labeling the company his favorite considered for 2013, facebook is after shorting it at the highs at the $22 a share. john, i went from a huge wear on facebook to a huge bull. thanks for having me on. >> why facebook? >> we were very vocal about facebook when they went public and they had only one engine of growth and that was on desktop pcs. they didn't have any tablets and this is before they reported the prior quart. what was interesting is they had a mobile strategy. they just sponsored news feeds and you go
eastern time to further negotiate each side on the fiscal cliff. as soon that headline calm out, the market starting back from they wills. as a result a lot of people were saying this is an optimistic sign. things worsened there and was all about that conversation happening at 5:00 p.m. eastern which we'll have for you as soon as the details come owl. >>> talk about bang for your buck. if you followed the cause of dan niles on facebook you would have made money on the way down when it...
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president barack obama hits the road to talk to republicans about the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> all part of the road to the fiscal cliff we've been seeing now. what's the latest, eamon? >> to really push public opinion in his direction on the fiscal cliff talks. the president today making the argument that he's the guy in this debate that wants to lower american taxes. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? >> and you can tell how confident president barack obama knows how positive his polls are on his side of this issue. but on the game where he's campaigning publicly and negotiating privately. as you said meeting with john boehner at the white house yesterday. and clearly the president is meeting with republicans and then checking back with democrats. we see this pattern now a couple of times last week he met with or spoke to boehner. and then met with nancy pelosi, the democratic leader on capitol hill. today we're told he had a phone call on
president barack obama hits the road to talk to republicans about the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> all part of the road to the fiscal cliff we've been seeing now. what's the latest, eamon? >> to really push public opinion in his direction on the fiscal cliff talks. the president today making the argument that he's the guy in this debate that wants to lower american taxes. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's...
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fiscal cliff. good morning again, everybody. i'm becky quick. here is what we know right now. the pace of private talks picking up speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press secretary and gerald bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. gentlemen, thank you for being here with us and getting this special day of coverage kicked off for us. >> rising early and rising above. >> exactly. let's talk about this. jared, it seems like things have gotten quieter. do you think that's the case? is that a good
fiscal cliff. good morning again, everybody. i'm becky quick. here is what we know right now. the pace of private talks picking up speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime,...
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. >> let's get to our guest host for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining us now for the rest of the show, senator john thune, chairman of the senate republican kovrns conference. a member of the budget, commerce and finance committees and the third ranking republican in the senate. and, tall, great suit. you're like 6'2", aren't you? 6'1"? >> actually more like 6'4". you're sitting down. >> i'm sitting down. didn't want to give you credit for those extra -- anyway. you cut -- i like the cut of this man's jib. anyway, senator, you have made the point that the debt ceiling is another place where the gop might have some leverage. you heard senator corker. does that speak to you? does that make sense to you to give on the 2%, and then use the debt ceiling to really extract some entitlement cuts? >> ideally, joe, i think what we'd like to see is a deal right now that includes a restructuring entitlement programs. that's what drives federal spending. we can't solve this on the revenue side. and, you know, we've got colleagues right now that are san diego
. >> let's get to our guest host for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining us now for the rest of the show, senator john thune, chairman of the senate republican kovrns conference. a member of the budget, commerce and finance committees and the third ranking republican in the senate. and, tall, great suit. you're like 6'2", aren't you? 6'1"? >> actually more like 6'4". you're sitting down. >> i'm sitting down. didn't want to give you credit for those...
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on the negotiations on the fiscal cliff. obviously optimism is running high right now. we're up five days in a row now on the dow jones industrial average. as far as what the markets are doing, we're being led today by tech stocks. apple is having a decent day although it still doesn't have a trading range. at least not in my opinion. it's trying to trade between 500 and $600. i don't know which way it's going to go. texas instruments having a very good day. rauzed their fourth quarter outlook. they're getting out of the mobile chip market. altera is okay. two sectors having a big day. defense stocks, number one. who would have thought? what sequestration worries are there? this is a historic high. the philadelphia defense index, the main index everyone watches in defense stocks, historic high today. all the big name defense stocks are to the upside. raytheon, northrop, rockwell. all are up and outperforming the market this month. who would have thunk it? say what you will. these stocks are having big worries on sequestration. put up my two main points and i'll tell you
on the negotiations on the fiscal cliff. obviously optimism is running high right now. we're up five days in a row now on the dow jones industrial average. as far as what the markets are doing, we're being led today by tech stocks. apple is having a decent day although it still doesn't have a trading range. at least not in my opinion. it's trying to trade between 500 and $600. i don't know which way it's going to go. texas instruments having a very good day. rauzed their fourth quarter outlook....
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speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >> awfully tough to get a read this morning. a lot of the public commentary has been critical, as you know. but we are seeing signs that at least the talks are progressing. we've got counteroffers going back and forth. are you more or less optimistic than you were, say, last week? >> i've gone back and forth week to week. thinking we'll get a deal. then we won't. today, i think it's probably just better than 50/50 that we get a deal. it likely won't be until after christmas. >> yeah, the calendar -- that seems to be the issue right now. you're running out of time to get it done this year. >> it looks like it
speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >>...
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we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i think the main tax -- >> for the good of the country. i'm probably not going to like the deal but that's probably what will happen. >> thank you so much. quick programming note. i will come to you life from our nation's capital tomorrow night as part of cnbc's special all day coverage. rise above, mission critical. now how do you like this scenario? the u.s. government using our tax money to build up an electric battery firm but after it fails the company sells out to a chinese outfit who takes advantage of our own taxpayer dollars. now producing for japan. there is something wrong with t
we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i...
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cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall street journal" was the only newspaper somewhat critical about this. look, warren buffett will be buying back stocks. he was never going to buy back stock or split the stock. he was never going to put the stock in the s&p 500. if this is not hypocritical to the maximum level -- no, no, no. he has changed. >> oh, a long time ago. >> a long time ago. never believed in buybacks. never would split a stock into the "b" shares and would never go into the s&p 500. you don't want closet indexes owning the name. that's some of the hypocrisy. but given the fact that he took out one o
cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall street journal"...
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el are, the fiscal cliff negotiations have been discounted by the market. and there seems to away great deal of optimism in the market that congress will come to a deal. so the outlook for 2013 is actually quite good, particularly after the fed's speech yesterday, the chairman's speech about holding interest rates very low until mid 2013. tying them into the unemployment rates and low inflation. really, it looks like equities are a good place to be because we're in a situation of financial repression where interest rates are going to be held low for at least another three years. >> kevin, let's talk a little bit about that fomc meeting. what's the market response to this idea of tieing the fed's response to the unemployment rate and inflation? >> well, a couple of quick moves because that the curve steepened. and, in fact, bond investors exited the market rather aggressively after a long holding period. so i think that overall, ta kind of structure will work well in 2013. but in the near term, the initial reaction on that change basis looks like they don't
el are, the fiscal cliff negotiations have been discounted by the market. and there seems to away great deal of optimism in the market that congress will come to a deal. so the outlook for 2013 is actually quite good, particularly after the fed's speech yesterday, the chairman's speech about holding interest rates very low until mid 2013. tying them into the unemployment rates and low inflation. really, it looks like equities are a good place to be because we're in a situation of financial...
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coming up we'll talk about the latest developments for the fiscal cliff negotiations with a former senate banking committee economist and the former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers. perhaps even more importantly rick santelli will be live from chicago. >> hello, simon. i'll tell you what, make sure you come back in about five minutes. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. >>> let's get to the group this monday morning, check in with rick santelli and get the santelli exchange. >> good morning, carl. to me, if you're trying to work with individuals to solve the problem, trust and honesty are very big components of that relationship working. and i'll tell you what, my theme of late has been that the
coming up we'll talk about the latest developments for the fiscal cliff negotiations with a former senate banking committee economist and the former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers. perhaps even more importantly rick santelli will be live from chicago. >> hello, simon. i'll tell you what, make sure you come back in about five minutes. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for...
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fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going on. booking trends have been strong or airlines as well. defense look at this, dfx, historic high. what sequestration worries out there. bottom line, everything on the upside. one sector i want to point out, dollar stores. dollar general came out with an outlook a little below estimates, look, down 7%. all the other ones a downside. they cited tough comps coming up and there are. a challenging environment and a challenging competitive environment. even the dollars stores in a tough competitive environment. >> dollar stores say their ma
fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going...
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cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduced of any of our guests, he's currently a senior fellow. do you practice in front of a mirror, jared? >> i'm just so happy to see you guys. >> it's totally natural the way it happened. >> this is what i like to do at 7:00 a.m. in the morning. it's 8:00 now. this is what i like to do at 8:00 a.m. in the morning. >> we're glad to have you. >> especially with mark "hurricane" zandi. >> i know. he's a boxer. the hurricane. >> the hurricane zandi. >> i got to work on my smile. i have no hair. i better get the smile right. >> you just mentioned jeffries moving up its dividends. d.r. horton is the latest. it's now saying its dividends for all of 2013 will be accelerated and paying 15 cents a share paying at the end of this year. >> the corporate scum that keeps declaring
cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduced of any of our guests, he's currently a senior fellow. do you practice in front of a mirror, jared? >> i'm just so happy to see you guys. >> it's...
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b, because we have the fiscal cliff or fiscal gentle slope or whatever it turns out to be to negotiate and c, because we haven't found our legs in the u.s. and we clearly have some global headwinds coming in 2013. however, the thing about this qe in the u.s., unlike previous ones where they could see big economic problems, let's comfort the market with a really big number, this time we're going to do it month by month. solo the annual figures look very big, they're going to halt qe as long as it looks like there's inflation. >> which means there might not be much market reaction as investors realize that. >>> find out what travelers are still flocking to the shores and how much of that money contributes to eugdp. be back in a few minutes. can i ? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on grou at fedex office. >>> these are the headlines from around the globe, bank s
b, because we have the fiscal cliff or fiscal gentle slope or whatever it turns out to be to negotiate and c, because we haven't found our legs in the u.s. and we clearly have some global headwinds coming in 2013. however, the thing about this qe in the u.s., unlike previous ones where they could see big economic problems, let's comfort the market with a really big number, this time we're going to do it month by month. solo the annual figures look very big, they're going to halt qe as long as...
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. >>> both sides in the fiscal cliff negotiations are much closer despite what you might think. on today's state of the union, jackie -- of the times picked up on something. >> he said you know, the republicans really ought to think about just declaring victory by going along with the president and senate democrats and taking the 98% of the tax cuts they agree on for everybody below $250,000 and just work next year on tax reform and see if they can get the top rate down again. it's hard to think that's not going to be where they end up, so why not make it clean instead of ugly. >> i think that it is true that many republicans are saying privately what tom cole said on this show, that they believe the politically expedient and right thing to do now is just to cut their losses, agree to tax rates going up for the most wealthy and really try for significant tax reforms so that 39.6% is going to be moot. >> if nothing is done by the end of the year to avoid the fiscal cliff, automatic federal spending cuts could impact the foot we eat. emily schmidt explains. >> preparing for holida
. >>> both sides in the fiscal cliff negotiations are much closer despite what you might think. on today's state of the union, jackie -- of the times picked up on something. >> he said you know, the republicans really ought to think about just declaring victory by going along with the president and senate democrats and taking the 98% of the tax cuts they agree on for everybody below $250,000 and just work next year on tax reform and see if they can get the top rate down again....
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now on the comprehensive and efficient fashion. >> in the fiscal cliff negotiation. so what should this mean? because i think i could interpret any given number to say, oh, that means we shouldn't touch taxes for the upper brackets because the economy still needs as much money as it can have in it. or i could argue, oh, this means that we need more stimulus to keep the jobs going, or i could look at the debt and say, oh, this means we need to cut spending. so what does it mean? so what would you, and what globally, what would mean the most for the u.s. to do in terms of the global economy? >> you know, what you said, you would qualify as an economist. on the one hand, on the other hand. the truth of the matter is that the best way out of this would be a balanced solution because you will always fine a school of thoughts that will say it's much better to cut spending, and you will find another school of thought that says it's much better town crea increase the r and cut taxes and there are those that say you need to cut deficits now and in the long run. we have seen s
now on the comprehensive and efficient fashion. >> in the fiscal cliff negotiation. so what should this mean? because i think i could interpret any given number to say, oh, that means we shouldn't touch taxes for the upper brackets because the economy still needs as much money as it can have in it. or i could argue, oh, this means that we need more stimulus to keep the jobs going, or i could look at the debt and say, oh, this means we need to cut spending. so what does it mean? so what...
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the foj kus is on washington as fiscal cliff negotiations continue. we will also get an update on the health of the labor market when the weekly jobless claims report comes out later this month. >>> by now you all know the siren logo. >> many of you will grab a cup of coffee this morning. starbucks ceo has sobering advice to offer on the looming fiscal cliff, that the consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever. his message to lawmakers, now is not the time to play politics. it's about doing right by the american people. >> i think if people would get in the room and leave their ego behind, and not be so skewed towards the party but be so sensitive to the lens of the american people, we will have an agreement. >> poppy harlow is joining us with more. we've been talking about how this will affect us. schultz says this goes way beyond our boarders. >> it's global. something that stuck with me talking to him about this, the people who need a deal most will be hurt t
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on the fiscal cliff negotiations, president obama, house speaker john boehner, met face to face at the white house today for the first time in more than three weeks. we do not have any details about today's conversations but reps on both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the two men last met on november 16th. also today, another republican senator announced his support for raising tax rates on wealthy americans. tennessee senator bob corker says if the gop agrees to the wealthy tax hike, republicans would be better positioned to negotiate for bigger spending cuts on social security and medicare. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year-end. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden, the shift goes back to entitlements. and all of a sudden, once you give him the rate on the top 2%, it's actually much lesser tax inc
on the fiscal cliff negotiations, president obama, house speaker john boehner, met face to face at the white house today for the first time in more than three weeks. we do not have any details about today's conversations but reps on both sides say the lines of communication remain open. the two men last met on november 16th. also today, another republican senator announced his support for raising tax rates on wealthy americans. tennessee senator bob corker says if the gop agrees to the wealthy...
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cliff negotiations. different than a year and a half ago when the president dealt only with republicans in congress. this time he is taking the case to americans and getting outside of washington, d.c. congressional republicans not so happy that the president is doing this. >> we understand that. paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately. they could go fwook their constituents and boehner could go to eric cantor and see what kind of deal they could get. but that was the dynamic that came the closest. >> they didn't have control of their parties basically right? does john boehne
cliff negotiations. different than a year and a half ago when the president dealt only with republicans in congress. this time he is taking the case to americans and getting outside of washington, d.c. congressional republicans not so happy that the president is doing this. >> we understand that. paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with...
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keep in mind they're the ones trying to do the deal here to avert this fiscal cliff. the tax hikes, the spending cutting scheduled for the first of the week now. join ming me from washington is senator olympia snowe. are you hearing -- what might you be hearing between the president and spirit? >> i think it is optimistic in the sense that at least they have met once again because i think that that is going to be crucial and central to any resolution, to the fiscal cliff crisis. and the more they meet and more that they have these lines of communications opened on a daily basis and their staffs are meeting, the more likely we'll see a conclusion to this issue. but it is regrettable that it is this late in the day, given the uncertainty and the apprehension that it continues to create among the american people, and, of course, both within the markets here and abroad. but i think it is hopeful that they have begun to meet and have some discussions because i think we can breathe a sigh of relief that the lines of communication are open. >> are you breathing that sigh of
keep in mind they're the ones trying to do the deal here to avert this fiscal cliff. the tax hikes, the spending cutting scheduled for the first of the week now. join ming me from washington is senator olympia snowe. are you hearing -- what might you be hearing between the president and spirit? >> i think it is optimistic in the sense that at least they have met once again because i think that that is going to be crucial and central to any resolution, to the fiscal cliff crisis. and the...
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cliff. we're not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. cnn's dan lothian is at the white house this morning. dan, i guess the fact that the lines of communication are open is a good sign. >> reporter: that's right. it is a good sign. it was just about a week ago that we were reporting about how nothing was going on, not in public and not in private. aides up on the hill, republican aides telling us there were no phone calls, no e-mails, no communication whatsoever. so this is encouraging in that the president sat down face to face with speaker boehner, but i think it's telling that both the speaker's office and white house put out these identical statements. i mean, what it shows here is that they've agreed to negotiate in private. there's a strategy here not to make this play out in public but rather happen behind closed doors so they can hash this out, hammer this out. it's unclear whether this will continue at that level. i did communicate wi
cliff. we're not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. cnn's dan lothian is at the white house this morning. dan, i guess the fact that the lines of communication are open is a good sign. >> reporter: that's right. it is a good sign. it was just about a week ago that we were reporting about how nothing was going on, not in public and not in private. aides up on the hill, republican aides telling us there were no phone calls, no e-mails, no...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with...
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cliff. >> how does it play into fiscal cliff negotiation? >> you would think it gives them a sobering sense of if we do the right thing, maybe the economy keeps growing, if we do the wrong thing, might tip the united states. some think even the possibility of another global recession. you would think it would be a motivation to get things done. if you listen to what's said publicly, see if they're working out a deal privately, there are staff level conversations but most of the big voices dug in. >> you had a fascinating interview with the head of the international monitoring fund, it will air sunday on "state of the union." let me play a clip. what happens in fiscal cliff negotiations in washington could have a huge impact around the world. >> there's still that degree of uncertainty that fuels doubt, that prevents investors, entrepreneurs, households from making decisions because they don't know what tomorrow will be. they know that a fix has been found for today but there is still work to be done tomorrow and day after tomorrow. so it wou
cliff. >> how does it play into fiscal cliff negotiation? >> you would think it gives them a sobering sense of if we do the right thing, maybe the economy keeps growing, if we do the wrong thing, might tip the united states. some think even the possibility of another global recession. you would think it would be a motivation to get things done. if you listen to what's said publicly, see if they're working out a deal privately, there are staff level conversations but most of the big...
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tough negotiation realtime. >> now another thing to the fiscal cliff deal? a deal i'm pretty sure is pretty bad whatever it is. not enough. >> but every little bit helps and here's the point. you know, the post office defaulted twice in the last couple of months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion the first time. congress did nothing, fiddled. happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something's got to be done. do they kick the can to the next year? >> thanks so much, john. >>> talking about default, they default and nobody cares. some day we'll care and going to hurt. >>> next, 22 days if the fiscal cliff and the president's taking the plan on the road but a guest says mr. obama, you are overplaying your hand. >>> and a radio prank blamed for a suicide. the two deejays behind the hoax speak out for the first time. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. this season, discover aleve. ...so as you can see, geico's customer sat
tough negotiation realtime. >> now another thing to the fiscal cliff deal? a deal i'm pretty sure is pretty bad whatever it is. not enough. >> but every little bit helps and here's the point. you know, the post office defaulted twice in the last couple of months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion the first time. congress did nothing, fiddled. happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something's got to be done. do they kick the can to the next year?...
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this might, might be part of the fiscal cliff negotiation. it's a question of how much more money could be saved by making packages happen on saturday but not all mail delivery? it's a tough decision. >> and now you're adding something more to the fiscal cliff deal, a deal i'm pretty sure is going to be pretty bad. >> but every little bit helps. the post office defaulted twice in the last couple months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion for the first time. congress did nothing. fiddled. now, same thing happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something has got to be done. can they kick the can to next year or get a deal done before next year? >> sad, defaulting on billions of dollars and we all think nothing is going to happen. one day, america, something terrible is going to happen. out front next, 22 days away from the fiscal cliff, the president is taking his plan on the road. one of our guests says mr. obama is overplaying his hand. >>> and radio prank is blamed for a suicide. two deejays behind the host speak
this might, might be part of the fiscal cliff negotiation. it's a question of how much more money could be saved by making packages happen on saturday but not all mail delivery? it's a tough decision. >> and now you're adding something more to the fiscal cliff deal, a deal i'm pretty sure is going to be pretty bad. >> but every little bit helps. the post office defaulted twice in the last couple months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion for the first time. congress did nothing....
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>>> there are new development in the fiscal cliff negotiations. cnn has just learned that house republican leaders have sent the white house a counteroffer on tax and entitlement reform. let's bring in our capitol hill senior correspondent dana bash who's got the details. what have we learned? >> we learned that, as you said, the republicans have sent to the white house an offer that they describe as something that is significant with regard to tax and entitlement reform. of course, those are the two tranches that we're talking about here. they are being very -- holding their cards very close to the vest in terms of what specifics these are but apparently it's a counteroffer to something the white house sent to them yesterday. we don't know the details. this is good news for both sides. republicans saying earlier that the white house has to give them more spending cuts. but this is really key because the first thing they have to do, wolf, is get those top line numbers. they are not talking specifics, what kind of tax rates, how much to do. they ar
>>> there are new development in the fiscal cliff negotiations. cnn has just learned that house republican leaders have sent the white house a counteroffer on tax and entitlement reform. let's bring in our capitol hill senior correspondent dana bash who's got the details. what have we learned? >> we learned that, as you said, the republicans have sent to the white house an offer that they describe as something that is significant with regard to tax and entitlement reform. of...
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this follows late night movement on fiscal cliff negotiations. we are standing by. >>> it was supposed to be funny. a tennis player mocking superstar serena williams but many are calling it racist. did it go too far? t "the newsroom" starts right now. >>> hello, everyone. i'm don lemon. happening right now, we'll get you live to washington in capitol hill. house speaker john boehner expected to speak right there from that podium at any moment. he had a call with the president last night after republicans sent a new proposal over to the white house to avoid the fiscal cliff. the house speaker. let's listen. >> i feel fine, i just sound a little foggy, that's all. as of today, the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards that i laid out the day after the election. his plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. our plan meets the standards, it cuts spending a
this follows late night movement on fiscal cliff negotiations. we are standing by. >>> it was supposed to be funny. a tennis player mocking superstar serena williams but many are calling it racist. did it go too far? t "the newsroom" starts right now. >>> hello, everyone. i'm don lemon. happening right now, we'll get you live to washington in capitol hill. house speaker john boehner expected to speak right there from that podium at any moment. he had a call with the...
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what role could it play in the fiscal cliff negotiations? >>> major earthquake rattles nerves and shakes buildings in japan in the same area as nearly two years ago. >>> fiscal cliff for air travelers, ground your trip or compromise air safety. >>> be careful what you write on review websites. one woman is being sued for almost $1 million for posting a nasty review online. find out which side the judge is taking. taking. "newsroom" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good morning. thanks for joining us. i'm don lemon in for carol costello this morning. the labor department this morning says 146,000 jobs were added in november and unemployment fell to 7.7%. so, let's put this all in perspective for you just one month earlier. in october, 138,000 jobs were added. so we're going to begin our coverage now with cnn correspondent and first up is christine romans. good morning, christine. >> good morning, don. we give the headline 146,000 jobs created, more than we expected, more than economists had expected, twice what a cn
what role could it play in the fiscal cliff negotiations? >>> major earthquake rattles nerves and shakes buildings in japan in the same area as nearly two years ago. >>> fiscal cliff for air travelers, ground your trip or compromise air safety. >>> be careful what you write on review websites. one woman is being sued for almost $1 million for posting a nasty review online. find out which side the judge is taking. taking. "newsroom" begins right now. --...
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fiscal cliff negotiations, they're really focused on fixing the debt. how can you fix the debt if you can't fix the economy? if you can't fix the jobs situation? >> oh, boy, this is the magic question this is why people like paulfreaking out and going, wait a minute, we go over the fiscal cliff, it is austerity, it is bad for job creation and that could be a problem. the bigger issue i think in the long-term unemployment problem is we never really dealt with it from the beginning of the jobs crisis. so 12 million people out of work, 40% of them, more than six months, that's insane. but we have not had a real program to get those long-term unemployed back to work. and, you know, frankly, i don't see anything happening in the future. as we look at that fiscal cliff, what does that really do? it says government is going to spend less money, less money means less job training, less ways to get the unemployed back to work. that really says that we're probably going to be stuck with an unemployment problem for a long time. >> so avoiding a fiscal cliff doesn'
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for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. >>> so how do you make the fiscal cliff negotiations funny? let's check in to see what some of the late-night comics are saying. >> you know, it's a special time of the year. we've been looking forward to it for months now. everywhere you go you can see the twinkle in little children's eyes because they know in a few short weeks the fiscal cliff is coming to town. ma merry cliff-mas. jim? >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion. >> entitlement reform. >> discretionary spending. [ applause [ applause ] >> i'm back. what happened? >> they are still trying to reach a resolution in the fiscal cliff talks. it's getting a little heated between president obama and speaker boehner. take a look at what they've been saying to each other. yesterday obama said, quote, if we can get some leadership on the republican side, we can probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. boehner then responded saying, quote, i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of his own. obama respon
for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. >>> so how do you make the fiscal cliff negotiations funny? let's check in to see what some of the late-night comics are saying. >> you know, it's a special time of the year. we've been looking forward to it for months now. everywhere you go you can see the twinkle in little children's eyes because they know in a few short weeks the fiscal cliff is coming to town. ma merry cliff-mas. jim? >> the president is asking...
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cliff negotiations. one expressed dismay today at the climate of secrecy surrounding the talks. listen if you would to senator jay rockefeller of west virginia. >> i get nervous when two people disappear into a white house room and start making a grand alliance and they think, well, we're going to do this to the rich and that to the poor, so we'll make that a trade-off. and like tom harkin says, that is unmoral. you cannot do it. >> so for now, let's just say no budget deal come the first of the year. you know what happens. income taxes go up, and under terms of the debt agreement reached last year, government spending would slow. this is the so-called fiscal cliff. now, it is clear what higher taxes would do. but what about budget cuts? who would that affect? a lot of folks including several million unemployed workers. watch this story with me from cnn's kyung lah. >> reporter: she doesn't call it a fiscal cliff. what she could be facing at year's end is a financial free fall. >> i don't know. i just wi
cliff negotiations. one expressed dismay today at the climate of secrecy surrounding the talks. listen if you would to senator jay rockefeller of west virginia. >> i get nervous when two people disappear into a white house room and start making a grand alliance and they think, well, we're going to do this to the rich and that to the poor, so we'll make that a trade-off. and like tom harkin says, that is unmoral. you cannot do it. >> so for now, let's just say no budget deal come the...
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still ahead on "starting point" a little movement on the fiscal cliff with new proposals on the table from both sides. going to talk about that. some conservatives say they think boehner should step away from the negotiating table. we'll talk to tennessee congresswoman marcia blackburn about that. >>> a viewer writes to a black meteorologist saying she needs to grow hair or wear a wig. it's not something i think looks good on tv so she responded on facebook very nicely said something at the end "have a nice day," got her fired. we'll talk about her story, when we return, in just a moment. questions? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world u
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the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are lacplaced in jeopardy. >> well, they talk and we all listen and then we decide who we appreciate more. it's in the form of a poll who is handling these negotiations better. the latest abc news "washington post" poll says 49% of americans think president obama is doing a better job of all of this, while only 25% say they approve of speaker boehner's efforts. those aren't the numbers you want to see if you're the speaker right now. our senior congressional correspondent dana bash has been working her sources throughout the morning, joining me live now from washington. one of the things i see, dana, that's so frustrating, is we get a lot of rhetoric on television and we hear later about secret conversations. i just wonder how much rhetoric is going on behind closed doors or if they're really getting closer. >> reporter: well, you just mentioned there was a monphone l between the speaker and the president, and by all accounts, it really did not go well. i'm
the longer the white house slow walks this discussion, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are lacplaced in jeopardy. >> well, they talk and we all listen and then we decide who we appreciate more. it's in the form of a poll who is handling these negotiations better. the latest abc news "washington post" poll says 49% of americans think president obama is doing a better job of all of this, while only 25% say they approve of speaker...
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. >> so a lot of democrats are saying that no big deal if you go over the fiscal cliff. it seems like republicans are moving towards giving in on the tax rates. might even just vote on the tax portion of the negotiations and kick the rest into january to deal with. if you get a deal on the taxes that president obama seems like he would sign, what happens to the government on the second half of the cliff, the sequester and other extenders? you were at omb. can the government deal with that? can we be okay? >> there's a lot of ifs. republicans don't want to raise taxes on the middle class. they want to pass a bill to prevent increase on rates on the middle class. that would be a good thing. if we got past january 3rd and the sequester went into effect, there are a ways to move through money in accounts where you can buy a few weeks. that's an important thing to do. now don't get me wrong. there would still be a huge impa impact. i don't know what the markets would do. wall street is in a mind if we go past january 3rd, we will fall off the cliff. and secondly, there are pe
. >> so a lot of democrats are saying that no big deal if you go over the fiscal cliff. it seems like republicans are moving towards giving in on the tax rates. might even just vote on the tax portion of the negotiations and kick the rest into january to deal with. if you get a deal on the taxes that president obama seems like he would sign, what happens to the government on the second half of the cliff, the sequester and other extenders? you were at omb. can the government deal with...
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cliff which would mean tax hikes for almost all americans but also severe cuts as well. they are debating that publicly as well as privately. i want to talk more about the rebel group that we had mention before in syria, that is now designated a new terrorist organization, cnn's hala gorani joining us atlanta. hala, first of all, you've got the syrian rebels, they're there fighting al assad's government. now the u.s. government, state department, steps in and says, a small faction of this group is considered a terrorist organization. what does that mean on the ground in syria for the rebel forces? >> well, it's hard to tell if it's going to mean anything, really. because what we're hearing now, uniformly from rebel groups on the ground after the designation by the united states of the nusra front as a foreign terrorist organization, look you can't not arm us, not finance us, and at the same time tell us not to rely on the best sort of armed and financed subgroup in the anti-assad fight. so rebel groups are saying you're putting us in a difficult position. they're having
cliff which would mean tax hikes for almost all americans but also severe cuts as well. they are debating that publicly as well as privately. i want to talk more about the rebel group that we had mention before in syria, that is now designated a new terrorist organization, cnn's hala gorani joining us atlanta. hala, first of all, you've got the syrian rebels, they're there fighting al assad's government. now the u.s. government, state department, steps in and says, a small faction of this group...
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>> ron, the "national review" is reporting that if the fiscal cliff talks go sour, that john boehner might have a challenge for his speaker post. do you agree with that? >> i think speaker boehner is extremely strong in his position. he's been very, very smart, including the republican leadership, in his negotiations. while it's just him and president obama, he has them inside the room before he goes and meets with the president, he talks to them and they reflect the views of the entire conference. the key here with the entire deal is that the devil is in the details. once these details come out, it's going to take arm-twisting by both sides. it's going to take calls from the president and democrats. it's going to take the speaker to make sure republican conference members are falling into line and that's where we're going to see, when the rubber meets the road, if this deal can get done. remember, you know, health care reform by the president passed on december 24th. so we do have a president there just going right up to christmas. and if it doesn't happen at christmastime, they'll
>> ron, the "national review" is reporting that if the fiscal cliff talks go sour, that john boehner might have a challenge for his speaker post. do you agree with that? >> i think speaker boehner is extremely strong in his position. he's been very, very smart, including the republican leadership, in his negotiations. while it's just him and president obama, he has them inside the room before he goes and meets with the president, he talks to them and they reflect the views...
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. >>> in this fiscal cliff mess, i don't know whether we need a presidential historian, a political strategist or hostage negotiator to help out in the talks now at this point. either way it's getting close to deadline. this morning we have brand new details about the negotiations. that's next. gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day after day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. >>> welcome back. 43 minutes past the hour. soledad o'brien is with us with a look at what's coming up on "st
. >>> in this fiscal cliff mess, i don't know whether we need a presidential historian, a political strategist or hostage negotiator to help out in the talks now at this point. either way it's getting close to deadline. this morning we have brand new details about the negotiations. that's next. gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism...
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debt deal negotiations have stalled. >> the fiscal cliff stalemate remains. >> the standoff continues. there isn't a lot of reason for hope. >> democrats and republicans are blaming each other for the stalled negotiations. >> who's going to blink sglirs what's going to blink first. >> the white house is daring republicans literally to blink. (laughter) >> stephen: obama is daring republicans literally to blink. well, the joke's on him! (laughter) because i know some republicans who had their eyelids surgically removed. (laughter) (cheers and applause) now obama won't budge off his calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over the coming decade, mostly from increasing tax rates and taxes on upper-bracket earners. folks, that's just punishing our nation's job creators. america's billionaires are the engine that drives our economy through smart investments! and occasionally through dumb ones. (laughter) today house speaker john boehner struck back with his plan to cut spending by demanding obama come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the pr
debt deal negotiations have stalled. >> the fiscal cliff stalemate remains. >> the standoff continues. there isn't a lot of reason for hope. >> democrats and republicans are blaming each other for the stalled negotiations. >> who's going to blink sglirs what's going to blink first. >> the white house is daring republicans literally to blink. (laughter) >> stephen: obama is daring republicans literally to blink. well, the joke's on him! (laughter) because i...